tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post1858563374624854517..comments2024-03-26T07:58:59.761+00:00Comments on I'll think of something later: Elgar the EuropeanDavidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-74673030865402796172013-02-04T14:53:06.774+00:002013-02-04T14:53:06.774+00:00Elgar's magnificent moustache recalls to one&#...Elgar's magnificent moustache recalls to one's mind the report by P G Wodehouse of a conversation at The Angler's Rest :<br /><br />"Where, I've often asked myself " said a Gin and Vermooth "are the great sweeping moustaches of our boyhood? I've got a photo of my grandfather as a young man in the album at home, and he's just a pair of eyes staring over a quickset hedge "<br />"Special cups they used to have" said the Small Bass " to keep the vegetation out of the coffee"<br /><br />[Buried Treasure, a Mr Mulliner story]David Damantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-91864206591801263612013-01-29T07:06:33.656+00:002013-01-29T07:06:33.656+00:00I find it difficult to see how anyone can overlook...I find it difficult to see how anyone can overlook the disasters of Heath's ( and Labour's) 1970s economic policies and the subsequent vast success of Thatcher's. Of course there are other and more important things than economics but a good economy is a sine qua non of doing those other thingsDavid Damantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-75442263639320843762013-01-28T20:46:29.116+00:002013-01-28T20:46:29.116+00:00David - all I can say is that friends who know mor...David - all I can say is that friends who know more about it than I do, Labour supporters in fact, think Heath was one of the best PMs we've had. Though I look at the man and his terrible conducting and do wonder.<br /><br />Victoria - the detail is enriching, thank you. I love the easy tone of Barbara's delivery, though I have to say the song sounds better in French than it does in German...Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-2373305994734435782013-01-28T20:44:11.453+00:002013-01-28T20:44:11.453+00:00Re the Barbarasong: yes, this little town nestled ...Re the Barbarasong: yes, this little town nestled away here in the heart of Germany is always taking one by surprises! In 1964 'Barbara' was clearly taken by it in spite of her initial doubts about coming to Germany. Then there were problems when she did get here because she'd been told there'd be a grand piano and the instrument in the Junges Theater - now the last of the little cinemas, though the Junges Theater does still exist in another building - was only an upright. But a grand was tracked down at an old lady's house nearby and a group of students went off to fetch it and her concert started an hour or two late but was apparently a wonderful, warming, reconciliatory occasion which people never forgot. She ended up staying a week and giving more performances, as well as writing this song, which was a huge success. <br /> <br />I don't actually believe Schröder was in the audience though he was an evening class pupil – not a doctoral student - at the time, but like everyone else he heard all about this and the song was apparently everywhere and really did make a difference to people's perceptions.<br />Victoria Viebahnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-23497323167709747992013-01-26T09:56:20.864+00:002013-01-26T09:56:20.864+00:00Heath was a terrible Prime Minister since he start...Heath was a terrible Prime Minister since he started out with a coherent free market policy but soon changed to an interventionist economic policy, then inherited by Labour ( who continued it). As a result we were one of the worst economies in Europe and our problems led to the IMF coming in. As the New York Times wrote at the time, we were in a mess entirely by our own fault. David Damantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-23319784352153018302013-01-26T09:35:31.136+00:002013-01-26T09:35:31.136+00:00Such are the paradoxes of Europhilia - it crosses ...Such are the paradoxes of Europhilia - it crosses party lines. But look at the Tory party now, one or two senior-statesment exceptions apart.<br /><br />Sir Edward H may have been the worst conductor of Sir Edward E ever. But he's generally admired for what he was good at, no?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-47932262151174290062013-01-26T09:25:21.236+00:002013-01-26T09:25:21.236+00:00It is often overlooked that when de Gaulle said &q...It is often overlooked that when de Gaulle said "Non" he suggested negociations towards a looser arrangement between the EEC and the UK .......a suggestion that was overlooked by everyone at the time. Had that happened things might have been easier then and now.<br /><br />De Gaulle also forecast that after a " short and disastrous" period of Labour government the Conservatives would return with Heath at their head and it would be he who took the UK into the EEC. Not a bad forecastDavid Damantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-74525373428527018132013-01-26T09:11:52.628+00:002013-01-26T09:11:52.628+00:00In my anger reacting to Cameron's speech, I ma...In my anger reacting to Cameron's speech, I made a factual mistake which has been haunting me ever since! The "ever closing union" reference is located not in Robert Schuman's Declaration, but in the Preamble of the Rome Treaty of 27 March 1957.Annie Morgannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-36555170255228257302013-01-25T22:59:52.128+00:002013-01-25T22:59:52.128+00:00Much as I like Elgar's first recordings, I can...Much as I like Elgar's first recordings, I can't imagine that they'd turn a conductor on to the full-spectrum sounds of the great masterpieces. No, it's Boult in the 1970s who would really do it.<br /><br />The Violin Concerto was done in Lucerne with Kolja Blacher, the very distinguished leader of the Lucerne Festival Orchestra. He just didn't get it, and the audience didn't find it interesting either. Abbado, I've said this before, would be ideal for the symphonies, but I guess it's too late for him to learn them now.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-53515624111884649022013-01-25T21:11:12.221+00:002013-01-25T21:11:12.221+00:00A quick webtrawl suggests that VJ has only done th...A quick webtrawl suggests that VJ has only done the violin concerto thus far - with Znaider and the Concertgebouw in 2010. <br /><br />I encouraged him a while back to listen to the early acoustic recordings conducted by the composer. They are terrific, if snipped. Roger Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16716925882482994792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-81850911025548330632013-01-25T12:03:13.144+00:002013-01-25T12:03:13.144+00:00I'd just written in response to your first com...I'd just written in response to your first comment that the Enigma Variations are probably a great example of that quotation - and you suggest mighty Monteux (I had the LP coupled, I think, with Brahms's Haydn Variations which seemed to me so pointless by comparison).<br /><br />I read something along the lines of that remark recently with regard to Bach (I think it was).<br /><br />As for VJ, I can't think of any major Elgar he has conducted. He would bring a freshness to the symphonies, as he already has to Tchaikovsky and Brahms. But possibly the best interpretation of the Enigma I've heard was Robin Ticciati's with the LSO at the end of last year. Already a great - if he weren't taking over from VJ at Glyndebourne in 2014, he would be a prime candidate as Gergiev's LSO successor in 2016...Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-54021249755768194992013-01-25T11:49:50.108+00:002013-01-25T11:49:50.108+00:00Monteux: one of the greatest of Elgarians!
And ha...Monteux: one of the greatest of Elgarians!<br /><br />And have you heard Jurowski, David? How is he in this repertoire?Roger Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16716925882482994792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-49373261997938957432013-01-25T11:44:36.991+00:002013-01-25T11:44:36.991+00:00The Australian artist (and Elgar contemporary) Tom...The Australian artist (and Elgar contemporary) Tom Roberts said: "By making art the perfect expression of one time and one place, it becomes art for all time and all places. Roger Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16716925882482994792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-84773460411977661432013-01-24T22:17:54.478+00:002013-01-24T22:17:54.478+00:00Was DeGaulle right when he said that Britain shoul...Was DeGaulle right when he said that Britain should not be allowed into the Common Market as it was then known. No, I think that Mr.Cameron is playing the game of so many politicos these days, trying to please big business and trying to convince the public that a change would serve their interests. A referendum is a bad idea, the common man does not know and has no interest in issues that take more than 2 minutes to hear about. Many as you say will listen to Nimrod have a jingoistic reaction, waive the flag and vote no to the EU.<br />Cameron is a fool to try this renegotiation, Britain needs Europe, we cannot turn the clock back to days of Empire. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail.Laurenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03297393116796129135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-52924601932495717932013-01-24T16:54:47.304+00:002013-01-24T16:54:47.304+00:00One might comment that the French should be very g...One might comment that the French should be very glad that we want to play rugby as they are far better at rugby than they are at soccerDavid Damantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-51995919385577018842013-01-24T12:20:17.252+00:002013-01-24T12:20:17.252+00:00Your comments show how complicated it all is. But ...Your comments show how complicated it all is. But the points about what protections the unions want are slightly peripheral to what EU laws have achieved for workers in this country. Now that we've seen the blatant Tory offer of shares in exchange for rights as the insidious scheme it is, why wonder that the wealthy want to dismantle any rights already established? Let's see what these vague demands Cameron promises turn out to be.<br /><br />I did like the French minister's comment on joining a football club and then saying 'let's play rugby'. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-10669091571891419042013-01-24T12:14:25.317+00:002013-01-24T12:14:25.317+00:00Just a few points in a complex matter.
I HOLD TH...Just a few points in a complex matter. <br /><br />I HOLD THAT IT WOULD BE FOOLISH IN THE EXTREME TO LEAVE THE EUROPEAN UNION<br /><br />But what problem is a fully United Europe supposed to solve? Why move (significantly) from where we are at the moment? One aspect of this is that a single foreign policy is IMPOSSIBLE with so many cultures and national interests, and this is likely to remain so for a long time, perhaps for always. The ideologues who will take any steps to achieve a United Europe ( like the Euro jumped into so carelessly) are as bad as the UK Euro-sceptics (who are not sceptics but antis)<br /><br />There should not be referendums( ?a) on any topic, or direct elections for any post. Image is so closely a matter of the media, who do NOT show a calm detachment. Would Mrs Merkel or Mrs Thatcher have been directly elected? All these things should be handled by parliaments ( who hopefully would study everything, and who know what people are like in government, not just on television)<br /><br />Many nice things cannot be afforded. For example, the unions and others very much like protection from redundancy. But if the economy sees a downturn or industries decline, employees need to move. Otherwise all the costs and risk are born by business, and growth is impeded. The ultimate example of this at the moment is France, where ( due to itself and only in part to the EU) it is expensive to hire people and difficult to fire them. How nice and cosy. But in 25 years they will see the relative poverty that resistance to change leads to. The EU's tendency to make life happier can often mean that economics and good sense are ignored. Why say that men and women have to have the same insurance when women drive more carefully and live longer. It is these silly things which make one want to question the Brussels mechanisms and values<br /><br />The sadness is that we did not join the Messina conversations in 1955, which led to the Treaty of Rome. We were so influential then - especially on questions of democracy - that we could have written the constitution. The French style bureaucratic centralism would then not have appearedDavid Damantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-66161152390561284562013-01-24T08:58:52.320+00:002013-01-24T08:58:52.320+00:00Three cheers to that, Annie - thanks for your eloq...Three cheers to that, Annie - thanks for your eloquence. And two and a half for the European project, which as Blair has argued needs some overhauling, but it's still the best option we have.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-52801423089915766442013-01-24T08:54:55.477+00:002013-01-24T08:54:55.477+00:00Having learnt quite a lot from your comments about...Having learnt quite a lot from your comments about Elgar, I also totally support your statement about the European Union and the multiple and nefarious misinterpretations by the British press, not to mention HMG and our PM. Moreover, whereas it is true that the EU in general, and the European Commission in particular suffer from a democratic deficit, always and rightly deplored this side of the Channel, it is the United Kingdom who has <br />persistently opposed the idea of electing the President of the Commission by universal or at least indirect suffrage, and resisted any increase of powers for the European Parliament, having also originally fought against electing the latter by direct elections. <br /><br />Not expecting much from Cameron, I was nevertheless saddened to hear him pooh-pooh the aim of "an ever closer union", which were precisely the words chosen by Robert Schuman on 9 May 1950 when he launched the idea of a European Coal and Steel Community. But enough of that: as you said, we are preaching to the converted. After much disappointment, my one hope is that the younger generations, more widely traveled and free from the whiff of colonial or other grandeur, will look beyond narrow party politics and put us back where we belong - in Europe. Annie Morgannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-12083936004662660312013-01-24T08:43:51.512+00:002013-01-24T08:43:51.512+00:00I remember being in New York at the time Americans...I remember being in New York at the time Americans were agin all things French. The xenophobia would have been comical had it not been so insistent.<br /><br />Elgar does well in America, and so many American conductors have championed his symphonies (Previn, Litton, Slatkin and Zinman stand at the top of the list). There's still a huge problem in central Europe: Germany especially is resistant (but so it is to Sibelius, too). I've always thought Abbado would have been the perfect candidate for the Elgarian tempo rubato. I reckon those two are easily up there with any of Mahler's.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-30759959154426354962013-01-24T02:18:26.925+00:002013-01-24T02:18:26.925+00:00While I'm not qualified to comment on Britain&...While I'm not qualified to comment on Britain's stance toward the EU, your first sentence sort of says it all, doesn't it? The one thing I can say from this side of the pond is how ill-served we all are by jingoistic sentiments. Exhibit A, though only one of many, is the US stance toward Iraq in the wake of September 11, 2001. <br /><br />As for Elgar, Ken Russell's portrait of Elgar, most particularly the terrible misuse of P&C to support nationalist sentiment in time of war, has made a lasting impression in our house. You know, only when I met the Edu-Mate did I learn of Elgar. I thought at first, well, this is a Brit obsession. How wrong I was. Gerontius, Sea Pictures, oh so many beautiful pieces he has given us. We would do well to learn from his example, rather than from those who imposed interpretations on his music for other ends.Susan Scheidhttp://prufrocksdilemma.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com