tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post1800639017347782230..comments2024-03-26T07:58:59.761+00:00Comments on I'll think of something later: FearDavidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-48827196008377991522011-08-19T17:40:22.006+01:002011-08-19T17:40:22.006+01:00I see a comment of mine on this post has somehow b...I see a comment of mine on this post has somehow been lost. Our friends visiting from England live quite near East Ham high street, which was affected, so a cause of great distress, particularly as they were so far away. I would have loved to be able to share your post then, and particularly the Yevtushenko setting by Shostakovich. So moving and appropriate. Thank you.Susan Scheidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09250142489341777926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-74276076593230189002011-08-15T17:26:20.559+01:002011-08-15T17:26:20.559+01:00An interesting viewpoint from Detective Chief Supe...An interesting viewpoint from Detective Chief Superintendent John Carnochan of the Violence Reduction Unit, Strathclyde Police, as reported in the Sunday Herald, 14th August, on page 11. <br />"We have all the same factors of deprivation and unemployment here and we have them in spades. But it seems to me that the gangs that David Cameron described were criminal gangs with hierarchical structure and there was criminality in those gangs and guarding their turf. Our gangs are not like that. Here in Glasgow we coined the phrase 'recreational violence'. Fighting wasn't a means to and end, it was just recreational violence. Maybe our guys couldn't be bothered with rioting; they're happy to be having a drink and a fight. So I think the nature of the gangs is one of the key differences."Catrionanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-60706904807659433912011-08-13T12:57:25.392+01:002011-08-13T12:57:25.392+01:00Indeed - all is flux, and no good comes of standin...Indeed - all is flux, and no good comes of standing completely still. It's a shame so much has to be swept away to lay the turf for the new, though.<br /><br />Mob violence - hasn't changed much since Shakespeare's Julius Caesar (see the Cinna the Poet scene).Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-47543890483735469272011-08-13T09:48:13.515+01:002011-08-13T09:48:13.515+01:00Out of evil cometh - we can hope - good. So outrag...Out of evil cometh - we can hope - good. So outraged is the nation that the politicians have come together ( my French colleagues commented on the commendable seriousness of the Commons debate) and actions are now possible: tighter policing and regulation ( without the pseudo liberal case that the police are too aggressive - they weren't this time, with the results we saw) and real initiatives on family and school structures ( without the right being able to stop sensible policies). Whether the absence of moral parameters can be cured is more problematical, but in many places in the past the putting in place of proper structures has affected moral behaviour.<br /><br />One aspect hardly mentioned has been the madness of crowds. A crowd, especially of young men, once fired up creates its own momentum, when as a result of evolutionary programming the individual members find fulfilment in attacking others. Unfortunately the social networks make the bringing together of a crowd so much easierDavid Damantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-60585946619719438952011-08-13T08:49:41.408+01:002011-08-13T08:49:41.408+01:00And I only heard yesterday the rather astonishing ...And I only heard yesterday the rather astonishing report that one in ten shops around the country was trashed - if that's right, it's a huge figure.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-8090129875330533732011-08-13T04:04:06.201+01:002011-08-13T04:04:06.201+01:00Thank you again for this lovely post and poem. Ind...Thank you again for this lovely post and poem. Indeed we often forget that the media tends to report troubles as if they were all over when they are isolated. But nonetheless sad, but as someone remarked this is not the first time such violence has happened.Laurenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03297393116796129135noreply@blogger.com