tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post4042843929312800036..comments2024-03-26T07:58:59.761+00:00Comments on I'll think of something later: Chaz and BenDavidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-52976931450583647062009-11-18T11:09:13.836+00:002009-11-18T11:09:13.836+00:00There is a detailed article about this opera on th...There is a detailed article about this opera on the Britten/Pears Website, so might do well to re-read it now that I am getting to know the work a little at least. I must, as you suggest, try to get better acquainted with the instrumental variations and how they relate to the drama. I listened to the Britten recording of _The_ _Rape_ _Of_ _Lucretia_, one of my favourites of his, the other day. <br /><br />J. V.JVaughanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07468133975019785693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-10193210939984706352009-11-17T22:55:30.644+00:002009-11-17T22:55:30.644+00:00You'll have to be quick, Colin - I think John ...You'll have to be quick, Colin - I think John Barrowman leaves the cast at the end of this week to do panto.<br /><br />I'm sure musically that TotS would have come across as a dream. There are infinite amounts of work to do on the theme and variations, but all of it pertains to the drama and its ambiguities, so it's worth it.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-44053192626242453412009-11-17T21:08:43.942+00:002009-11-17T21:08:43.942+00:00I must see La Cage, David. Too good to miss (altho...I must see La Cage, David. Too good to miss (although it's not my thing generally), and you gave it a good write up. Your remark about an "iron-fist-in-a-lurex-glove" is perfect. Bravo!<br /><br />Incidentally, I heard Turn of the Screw on Radio Three the other weekend and was more moved by it than I have been in years. The cyclical key structure has passed me by in the opera house, but on radio, in the privacy of my own kitchen, score in hand and concentrating on the music, it all made sense. One of those moments that makes you utter, "Why haven't I heard it before now?"Colin Dunnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-85039977486441342742009-11-12T13:21:20.023+00:002009-11-12T13:21:20.023+00:00In the first instance, I was responding to your co...In the first instance, I was responding to your comment about the typographical error you made once on "homosexual," "homesexual" or something like that, seeming to relate it to people's love of their castles, presumably meaning homes. I love _MY_ castle, and was trying to convey that. When you mentioned Belgrave Square, it reminded me of the lines in _Iolanthe_, "Hearts just as pure and fair may beat in Belgrave Square as in the lonely air of Seven Dials." I originally was going to phrase it something like, "When you visited Belgrave Square, I hope you found some pure and fair hearts beating," but later, being reminded of the serious, yet happy, nature of your visit, it was obvious that such hearts were beating there, thus the change." To be sure, this is all outside of Gilbert's original context, but I meant it as a jest, and hope the correction made it a bit more appropriate than it would have been had I made my original remark, though probably a bit less whimsical. <br /><br />J. V.JVaughanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07468133975019785693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-32555938166132655402009-11-12T12:42:36.105+00:002009-11-12T12:42:36.105+00:00JV - not quite sure I understand the connection ab...JV - not quite sure I understand the connection about my dwelling, or what you mean by the fair hearts in Belgravia comment?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-71511067336686667502009-11-11T20:24:27.340+00:002009-11-11T20:24:27.340+00:00Does the addendum to your above repeated comment m...Does the addendum to your above repeated comment mean that you now understand what I was saying, about which you expressed concern? If not, virtually all of my last comment, apart from referring to homosexuals whether they be conventional ones or paedophiles, exclusively concerned the former, even though, of course, this discussion was rooted in whether or not Britten was a practicing paedophile. I was unaware of your considered observation, to the effect that you currently do not know of anyone who is both a conventional homosexual and a paedophile. <br /><br />I obviously do not know how long you have been in your current residence, but I have been in mine for much of the past fifty years, that anniversary, if all goes well, to come on 12 February next. Need I say more? <br /><br />J. V.<br /><br />p.s. On the day you visited Belgrave Square, doubtless some pure and fair hearts were beating!JVaughanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07468133975019785693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-51391306525218919322009-11-11T17:03:17.465+00:002009-11-11T17:03:17.465+00:00Curses, I binned that once to remove 'homesexu...Curses, I binned that once to remove 'homesexuals'. I know, people who get a thrill out of their own personal castle.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-53298041993921367632009-11-11T17:01:39.309+00:002009-11-11T17:01:39.309+00:00It still concerns me that there might be a confusi...It still concerns me that there might be a confusion in your mind between homesexuals and pederasty. I don't personally know any of the former who have an attraction to the latter (at least not that I'm aware of). Britten would seem to be a special case.<br /><br />As for Christian acceptance, I can do no better than refer you to Bishop Desmond Tutu's amazing and clear introduction to Gene Robinson's book (and IMO the intro is more essential than the main text).<br /><br />But I do like the fact that we can discuss such things fairly here, so thank you for clarifying.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-27850671907729836402009-11-11T16:59:06.924+00:002009-11-11T16:59:06.924+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-79652016704370158252009-11-11T16:50:06.765+00:002009-11-11T16:50:06.765+00:00I was prompted by you discussing Britten's res...I was prompted by you discussing Britten's restraint when it came to boys, but there indeed have been, and are, homosexuals in my personal experience who have enough respect not to try to fondle, etc., people, whether they be child or adult, who they know to be heterosexual, and do not even need to ask if they may do so. Maybe the reference to imposing one's lifestyle was ill-chosen since the issue is doubtless overall rights for you. I myself am basically a conservative as I think I have told you, but have been reconsidering the matter of homosexuality after reading Professor Peter J. Gomes' book on the _Bible_, _The_ _Good_ _Book_. You might know that he is Minister in Harvard's Memorial Church. Though I have not read its specifics, I would tend to favour the newly-passed hate-crimes legislation in this country, though hope it does not curb the free speech of those who still oppose homosexuality, provided they can express their views without being viscious and the like. I heard a radio minister this past Saturday who favours the death penalty for homosexuals, and he was expressing his opposition in a viscious manner, using hateful terms. It further seemed that he favoured individuals having the authority to carry this out, whereas my current understanding of Scripture would have criminal matters of whatever legitimate sort, in New-Testament times at least, handled by the State (please see _Romans_ Chapter 13 in particular should you wish), our Constitution also stating that noone is to be denied life, liberty or property without due process of law. Mr. Sheppard should not have been subjected to the treatment that he was! <br /><br />J. V.JVaughanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07468133975019785693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-91467191056989354652009-11-11T15:56:29.198+00:002009-11-11T15:56:29.198+00:00So had I, John. I only came across it last week in...So had I, John. I only came across it last week in Amos Elon's typically readable The Pity of It All ('a portrait of the German-Jewish epoch 1743-1944'). But I'd long been struck by the Latin root of 'tolerate', which means 'to bear'.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-34117396113578463892009-11-11T15:51:55.601+00:002009-11-11T15:51:55.601+00:00So it was Goethe who said that. I've been wond...So it was Goethe who said that. I've been wondering what the source was for years. Thanks for identifying it.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-33672344944604796092009-11-11T11:27:30.192+00:002009-11-11T11:27:30.192+00:00Erm - I'm not sure that anything I wrote gave ...Erm - I'm not sure that anything I wrote gave you cause for that remark, JV. I would only quote Goethe: 'to merely tolerate is to insult. True liberalism means acceptance'. And I think, in this country at least, we're getting there.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-10142434417450791812009-11-11T11:21:12.305+00:002009-11-11T11:21:12.305+00:00It is good to know that there are homosexuals who ...It is good to know that there are homosexuals who are good enough not to impose their lifestyle on others. I have known, and know, some such! <br /><br />J. V.<br /><br />p.s. I have yet to get to _Death_ _In_ _Venice_, partly due to seeking the lowest possible price on the Britten recording, but must eventually do so.JVaughanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07468133975019785693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-92013591444126449572009-11-11T11:06:07.410+00:002009-11-11T11:06:07.410+00:00There's a big debate on the R3 Messageboards a...There's a big debate on the R3 Messageboards about Britten and boys. It seemed to me that mixing up the problem of being gay in difficult times with falling in love with pre-pubescent boys was a sticking point. The simple fact is that, not having acted on his desires, Britten did the right thing. If he had acted and been charged by a victim, then now as then he would be facing a prison sentence (and my own opinion on this would be, deservedly so).<br /><br />Yet there's no doubt that this fed into, and was sublimated in, his tortured and complicated art. Making Turn of the Screw just about paedophilia, though, is incredibly reductive.<br /><br />For a sympathetic, complex attitude, I can't recommend John Bridcut's 'Britten's Children' too strongly.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-52953656037418450272009-11-11T10:12:00.532+00:002009-11-11T10:12:00.532+00:00Greetings!:
Thank you very much for referring us ...Greetings!:<br /><br />Thank you very much for referring us to that _Gramophone_ interview with Sir Charles during the _Gloriana_ sessions! I was unaware, until comparatively-recently, that the then-future Sir Charles had had any personal association with Britten, and that that association had gone bad at one point. I was further under the impression that this breach was never healed, but it would now appear, from this article, that a reconciliation was indeed effected. I wish we had a recording of the world-premiere performance of _Noyes_ _Fludde_, though the Del Mar account we do have, in the Church of the work's premiere, is indeed fine. To me, there is much of _Gloriana_ which sounds like it was written by a composer _MUCH_-more conservative than the one who wrote even _Peter_ _Grimes_, but I like the opera nonetheless, and _WHAT_ a cast Sir Charles had for that recording! I also like _Billy_ _Budd_, and have been debating as to whether or not to acquire the Mackerras DVD since the cast is virtually, if not exactly, the same as that on Britten's own recording. Yet, from what we heard on _CD_ _Review_, the Clagard sounded a bit more menacing than he did for the composer, and, if he really was, that could be a decider. I missed all but a few minutes of last Saturday's broadcast of _The_ _Turn_ _Of_ _The_ _Screw_ due to an important-for-me football game, which turned out _GLORIOUSLY_ (Navy won over Notre Dame for the second consecutive time in Notre Dame Stadium!), but I should have opportunity to hear it complete soon. If I am not mistaken, La Gritton has indeed sung the Governess already, or is it just in her repertoire? I join apparently many in liking her Miss Wordsworth! As for _Grimes_, I, probably heretically, would have to agree with Sir Charles about sometimes wishing for a singer other than Sir Peter, particularly at the point in his big final monologue when he sings that one of his apprentices died, just died. Unless I am mistaken, Sir Peter is the only singer I have heard who does not pause between "just" and "died," and I personally think a pause works well there. Yet, as Sir Charles and others point out, Britten would be happy if one does just what he asks for, and therefore we may have to defer to him on this, and other points if and where applicable. As for Britten and boys, someone in an Australian blog referred me to a _SCATHING_ article on this subject, which quoted Britten as making some _EXTREMELY_-coarse comments about the pleasures of molesting boys. Yet in your article, and from talking with a singer who worked closely with Britten, it would appear that he did not give in to any temptations he _MIGHT_ have had in that direction. <br /><br />To close off topic, have you yet heard the new Somm recording of Elgar's _The_ _Fringes_ _Of_ _The_ _Fleet_, etc.? I personally find it a delightful programme, and am _MOST_-pleased to _FINALLY_ have Ansell's _The_ _Windjammer_ _Overture_ in its original orchestration, I having long loved this unpretentious gem, in a transcription for military band as performed by the US Coast Guard Band on a tape they kindly sent me in the 1960's. I cannot imagine "Shenandoah" being treated much more beautifully! And, having mentioned the US military, I would wish any US Marines, should they visit this space, a belated _HAPPY_ _BIRTHDAY_! I sometimes wish I could have worn that uniform! <br /><br />Hoping, as usual, that this finds all of you well, and with renewed best wishes,<br /><br />J. V.JVaughanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07468133975019785693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-20020388041171326382009-11-06T16:54:16.457+00:002009-11-06T16:54:16.457+00:00Miranda - erm, where did I exactly say either...or...Miranda - erm, where did I exactly say either...or? I think you're referring to my comment to Lobo, in which I simply stated my own position, which was that for me the question of having children never arose. Surprise, surprise, I am well aware of the alternatives and delighted so many people take advantage of them.<br /><br />Actually it's quite topical to La Cage aux folles, which as early as the late 1970s was presenting a gay couple bringing up a son together as utterly natural. And of course Harvey followed suit in Torch Song Trilogy.<br /><br />Sarah - if a large-scale operation was to prove difficult in the immediate future, you Australians could do worse than engage La Gritton to sing Sibelius's Luonnotar, with or without the wacky wonderful set in which she appeared as part of the ENO double bill directed by Fiona Shaw. That was when I realised she'd successfully made the transition from light lyric to lyric-dramatic.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14506881804082382739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-76998469500962465122009-11-06T16:13:40.228+00:002009-11-06T16:13:40.228+00:00I absolutely agree about Susan Gritton as the Gove...I absolutely agree about Susan Gritton as the Governess - that role has come up repeatedly as we've been talking about what we'd like to hear her sing, should Opera Australia ever manage to entice her back. Because of course, the entire opera-going population of Sydney is now completely and utterly in love with her after her Ellen Orford, and regretting not having taken measures to stop her ever leaving the country in the first place.Sarahhttp://primalamusica.typepad.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1248503935075362425.post-63573457253351079212009-11-06T16:08:44.848+00:002009-11-06T16:08:44.848+00:00from Miranda Hawkes
What is all this about being g...from Miranda Hawkes<br />What is all this about being gay OR having children(cf your previous blogs). Lots of gay couples I know have children through legal paternity or maternity rights - the law does not nor cannot stop this. One of the most devoted same sex couples I know, albeit wealthy and therefore able to obtain good legal advice, have each fathered a child(one son, one daughter) through a willing surrogate and donor insemination, and all seem happy and contented. This is the 21st century, and such things are socially and medically possible. Come on David!<br />Miranda HawkesMiranda Hawkesnoreply@blogger.com